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Slow Processing Speed and the 2e Child: A REEL Event - Shared screen with speaker view
Argentina Adams
18:28
In the Bay as well. I have a 2 year old.
Marijane Leonard
18:42
I have a 10-year-old boy with newly diagnosed ASD and slow processing speed, which causes anxiety.
Bree
18:46
Seattle. Have a 12 year old daughter who is 2e and super creative.
iPad Pro 12.9 JL
18:54
Hi I’m in the Bay Area and have a 2e 12 year old son with slow processing speed
Paige C.
19:20
We're in the bay area and have a 4th grader who is 2E with dyslexia, ADHD with slow processing speed.
rebecca
19:26
SF Bay Area. Two sons. oldest potentially 2e - slow processing speed. Now college freshman majoring in Mech Engineering.
Kate Elsley
19:47
I’m on the Peninsula in the Bay Area and have a 9 year old 2e son
Adam Nelson
20:05
I’m a teacher of HS and MS students at Palo Alto
simone
20:15
Hi I`m from Switzerland, Zürich, and very interested in the topic because of my job as a psychologist
ROJAS
20:40
Bay area 3 kids 19 16 13 all ASD dyslexic slow processing - 19 son math genius - 16 son learned Mandarin starting in Kinder finished college mandarin when 14 - 13 daughter creative, artistic, robotics
Yael Valek
22:38
Wow welcome everyone! Amazing to have people here from all over the world. Adam my kids are/were in PAUSD so nice to have you here
Erin Tiedens
22:49
Hello! I’m in the Bay Area (Mid-peninsula). 8 year old son diagnosed with ADHD and slow process in January.
Yael Valek
23:03
www.reel2e.org
Cindy Z Hansen, Educational Therapist
23:53
Hi Marcy and Callie! I am an educational therapist in Ventura, CA and I work with the Twice exceptional population in person and online
Karen
24:01
I am Karen, educational psychologist and gifted specialist
Callie Turk
24:52
@Cindy - hi! Welcome to the presentation. So glad you came!
Firouzeh Murray
25:36
Hello, live in the bay area (peninsula). 2 sons. Younger one (age 17) is 2e.
Deniz Baloglu
26:34
Hello, from Bay Area-Belmont!
Kate Elsley
26:42
Could you click through the slides so we can see them?
Yael Valek
26:55
Sorry Kate she’s having some technical difficulties 🙂
Laura Bunch
28:36
Slow to respond when we ask a question
Jenny Lee
28:43
Impacts his self esteem
Yael Valek
28:45
Slow to respond when asked to do something
Firouzeh Murray
28:53
Takes a long time to do simple things (like write a short email)
Yael Valek
29:01
Slower than others to pick up concepts in class and it makes him feel stupid
Amina Ahmed
29:05
It affects his ability to make friends and hang out
ROJAS
29:06
slow processing - I need to wait an extra long time for a response
Kate Elsley
29:12
Sometimes my son repeats what I say when I asked his opinion
Ray Wills
29:31
it is hard to answer questions in class which leads to avoiding answering questions or even ask questions
Jane
29:37
Socially sometimes
Molly Sandomire
29:37
Takes longer to do his work at school
Cindy Z Hansen, Educational Therapist
29:39
It is unexpected in bright kids so they often feel like "posers"
Paige Sanks
29:47
Trouble learning finger/hand movements for circle time songs
Jenny Lee
30:03
Tends to pull out of games because he feels slower than others
Jane
30:23
Frustration that can’t get knowledge out efficiently
Bree
30:50
Are you on the right screen for sharing?
Firouzeh Murray
30:51
we don’t see slides at all anymore
Firouzeh Murray
31:16
hooray for poppies!
Jennifer Polk
31:39
slow processing affects math learning (age 14). easy to get so behind before we know there's a problem. homework takes a long time and there is frustration to spend extra time learning outside of class. reluctance to ask for or recognize he needs help with a concept because he is used to struggle
ML
31:43
Answering anything where a timer is ticking so stressful
Susan Choquette
31:44
I have one child that takes a long time (eg more than 2 seconds) to answer questions. Then his siblings start to answer for him…a disaster. Also adults say something, then wait a nanosecond, and repeat or change the request….kid just looks at us….
Kate Elsley
31:53
Well done!
Ray Wills
31:56
thoughts run fast but writing them down is very slow so he gets lost in his own writings
Yael Valek
32:35
@Jennifer - yes homework takes forever and he’s very anxious when it is assigned
Yael Valek
32:49
@ray yes my child can’t take notes while listening to a talk
Sharon
36:29
I think the basic issue is that our society values speed. "Slow" often is being judged as "less than".
rebecca
36:40
writing was very slow and difficult. He was always a step or two behind on the soccer field.
Callie Turk
36:52
@Sharon, Malcolm Gladwell had a few great episodes in his Revisionist History podcast about this topic.
Yael Valek
41:11
Yes the word “boring” comes up a lot with my kids
Yael Valek
41:23
But it means so many different things
Lauren Johnson
42:31
With writing/worksheets, how do you differentiate slow processing from dysgraphia?
Callie Turk
44:05
@Lauren, we can ask Marcy to answer that during the Q&A, but I would say now that we always encourage people to get the most thorough eval they can with neuropsychologist who understands well both of those and other potential learning and neuropsychological challenges can tease out those differences to get to the root causes.
Jenny Lee
49:04
Does pharmacological treatment of ADHD (stimulant or non-stimulant) have a positive impact on processing speed?
Callie Turk
51:09
Thanks for your question, Jenny! I’ve noted it for the Q&A.
Bree
52:21
Getting dressed: gross motor, correct?
Callie Turk
56:13
Bree, we can talk about that with Marcy during Q&A, but I’d say challenges with getting dressed could have different root causes - is it more of an executive function issue such as task initiation? Is it a gross motor planning issue? Is it fine motor (buttons, etc.)? Is there anxiety related to whatever the next activity will be? Are too many choices overwhelming? Are there sensory issues with clothing (too tight, too loose, too many seams)? I think about what Bright & Quirky says about doing small experiments to help figure out what the root cause of the situation is. Definitely seems like slow processing speed could be one of the possible causes of challenges with getting dressed.
Yael Valek
56:44
For us I think it’s difficulty staying on task with ADHD
Bree
57:31
Thank you, Callie. My daughter has ADHD, so mornings are not easy in general. So, yes, other things may be impacting besides processing speed. Thank you!
Ray Wills
58:36
can her slides be shared with us later? I can not read some of the small type and I am a visual learner.
Callie Turk
58:41
@Bree, I feel you!
Callie Turk
58:51
@Ray, I will ask, but suspect the answer will be yes. Thanks for asking!
Jane
01:00:41
I’m curious about discrepancy in testing results as a measure of processing issues? As in, superior results in non timed results but low/average results in timed activities of the same area. Usually more time in testing is offered as the accommodation but 2E students are frustrated by not being able to produce in the same time as “typical” peers and don’t necessarily want to accept the special treatment. She’s kind of addressing how it should be handled properly but yeah more time is the easiest solution for schools
tami Lyles
01:01:57
I’m curious the likely impact when one has superior working memory (99%) but only average/low average processing speed
Callie Turk
01:02:16
@Jane, that is so true! I was conducting some interviews with teachers for a research project and they were commenting on how “more time” is always a listed accommodation, but some kids just won’t use and it sometimes isn’t the right solution for a kid. It’s one of the easiest to add to a plan, but many 2e kids don’t want to use it. They somehow don’t see it as “fair”, which I think might be a reflection of our larger culture of speed being equivalent with intelligence and achievement.
tami Lyles
01:02:43
Can untreated ADHD impact processing speed?
Firouzeh Murray
01:03:30
You can make accommodations in high school (the teacher can allow different ways of showing mastery - e.g. a presentation instead of a paper), but what do you suggest for college? In college, everyone has to have the same output . So then how do you take slow processing speed into account when thinking about college fit (selecting a college)? When the 3 parts of IQ (General ability index) are very high, but processing speed is much, much lower (relatively). Neither tradeoff is ideal if you’re balancing being surrounded by intellectual peers, and not having an unmanageable work load..
Hannah Earle
01:04:04
My kid loves routine, but struggles with anxiety when things don’t go just so.
Jane
01:05:05
@tami that’s my question too because of the two standard deviation discrepancy but because the results are in the average range the school district thinks it’s not an issue for the student
Callie Turk
01:05:31
@Firouzeh, I will be sure to ask Marcy if she doesn’t address it when she gets to the college age strategies, but colleges have disabilities services as well and expectations are not necessarily the same for all students. Universal design for learning, which helps address learner variability in how students access content and show mastery, is used at many colleges and universities.
Bree
01:05:37
Routine homework is so much easier! The long-term projects, one-off projects, are really hard.
Callie Turk
01:08:46
@Firouzeh and anyone else interested in college questions, this looked like a good fair that happened today but I am guessing they will host fairs in the future and provide other resources to help navigate college with learning differences. https://gotocollegefairs.swoogo.com/learningdifferences2022/2009757
tami Lyles
01:09:07
Is it common not to notice slower processing speed until middle school?
Yael Valek
01:10:06
@tami although we always noticed it somewhat, it really caused major problems starting in middle school - as did executive functioning challenges - the number of things one has to accomplish and the time given for them ramps up so much in middle
Michelle Coyle
01:10:14
I’m noticing two things with my kid. 1. Sometimes he knows what he wants to say, but there’s delay/hesitation with putting it into words. It embarrasses him. 2. Even working 1:1 with no distraction (he does have ADHD), it seems that oral questions/directions take extra time to sink in and he may need them repeated. He’s been told at school that he “needs to be a better classmate” when he’s asked for directions to be repeated.It seems like processing speed is measured visually on standardized tests. Are there measures for oral processing speed?
Firouzeh Murray
01:11:19
@callie yes, attended portions of it today! they recorded some sessions if people missed it. useful (but not exactly for 2e kids)..
Callie Turk
01:11:56
@Firouzeh, good to know!
Callie Turk
01:13:08
@Michelle, I’m sorry your child is having that issue. One of the recommendations we suggest is that teachers be sure to provide instructions in multiple ways - in writing on a board, in the learning management system/digitally, verbally. Only offering instructions one way is not enough for many kids.
Callie Turk
01:13:33
@Michelle, and then, over time, the child can learn what they need to be successful and advocate for what works best for them.
Callie Turk
01:14:43
Mow the lawn
Firouzeh Murray
01:14:44
fix an appliance
Yael Valek
01:14:48
taxes
Erin Tiedens
01:14:48
laundry!
Adam Nelson
01:14:50
=fold laundry
ML
01:14:55
Change the oil
Sonali
01:14:56
describing on recipes
Kate Elsley
01:14:58
Organize a room or closet
Bree
01:14:59
Cleaning the bathroom
Lisa Tulee
01:15:04
household repair
Sonali
01:15:08
oops I meant choosing recipes
Jane
01:15:30
Rapport is so underrated
Susan Choquette
01:18:51
speech to text apps are also great
Yael Valek
01:18:59
@susan yes!
Yael Valek
01:23:37
https://www.reel2e.org/post/2e-self-advocacy-panel-help-your-student-understand-their-brain-and-their-teachers-too-k-12
Yael Valek
01:23:48
A talk we hosted last year about self advocacy
Jenny Lee
01:24:38
We homeschool and do not have a 504 or IEP - do we need to create this kind of “paper trail” for college?
rebecca
01:24:46
to self advocate, how would a college student describe their learning style to ask for help? “slow processing speed” is not a really known issue.
Firouzeh Murray
01:26:12
@rebecca they would need a psycho ed report or neuro psych report - basically documentation of their LD's
Jane
01:27:46
Spot it is like that too and several different versions to keep it interesting
Callie Turk
01:28:28
@Jenny, someone else may have advice to offer, but my understanding is that if you would like your child to have accommodations on standardized tests or in college, you will need to have assessment/eval results (most likely neuropsych but could also be from an educational psych report) that show the child’s learning / neurodevelopmental needs.
Jenny Lee
01:28:31
Also the game Set
Susan Choquette
01:28:50
Set is another great game!
Jenny Lee
01:29:17
Thank you @callie -we have had a formal assessment through a private provider because the school district refused our request for assessment
Jenny Lee
01:29:54
@ Callie, but the assessment will be 6 years old by the time my child applies to college
Christina Salvatore
01:30:03
agreed! I'm a math tutor who has taken several Making Math Real courses and speed math obliterates working memory, and executive function.
Susan Choquette
01:30:25
“Don’t keep proving their disability” That’s really resonating with me!!
Callie Turk
01:30:39
@Jenny, hmmmm…they shouldn’t legally be allowed to do that, I don’t think. You might want to check out this recording from a session we did around working with public schools on assessments and such. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAZZZUomm-4 Yes, for colleges and I think testing accommodations, the assessment has to be within 3 years. Although don’t hold me to all of that!
Jane
01:30:43
My child’s teacher made a reward for the entire class dependent on all students meeting a timed standard It was so demoralizing and embarrassing. Why would a teacher do that?!
Jenny Lee
01:30:54
For those whose kids just can’t do multiplication tables, skip counting songs were incredibly effective for my son.
Callie Turk
01:31:09
@Jane, that is just heartbreaking to hear.
Callie Turk
01:32:22
I would say I am hearing more and more that elementary schools are doing away with timed math fact tests
Jenny Lee
01:32:39
Thank you , @Callie. I didn’t know the legal requirements that the school district was under when we sought evaluation. I think we may try to get reassessed early in high school, so we have documentation for college testing, etc. .
Firouzeh Murray
01:32:40
@jenny the formal assessment needs to be 2-3 years old
Jenny Lee
01:32:55
@thank you, Firouzeh!
Janelle Farinacci
01:33:17
Thank you so much!!!!
Firouzeh Murray
01:33:55
@jenny and I believe that there is benefit to doing it at or after age 16 since they are given an adult battery of tests - so that’s the most useful for college
Callie Turk
01:34:10
@Jenny, yes, my daughter is in 10th grade. We’re trying to do her evaluation second evaluation in the next year.
Jenny Lee
01:34:11
I think Yael may already have mentioned this, but is there a parent support or discussion group that we can join? (Sorry if I missed this)
Yael Valek
01:34:26
Yes you can join the REEL google group:
Susan Choquette
01:34:34
Thanks so much!
Yael Valek
01:34:41
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/reel-2e/join
Jenny Lee
01:34:48
Thank you, @yael and @firouzeh!
Kate Elsley
01:34:52
Put your email up again please!!
Sheryl Stoller (she/her/hers)
01:34:52
please put your contact slide back up Thank you!
Linda
01:35:00
Thank you so much Marcy! This was a wonderful presentation!
Callie Turk
01:35:06
marcy.dann@gmail.com
Kate Elsley
01:35:58
This was amazing, thank you. So much practical stuff for elementary school kids!
Amina Ahmed
01:36:17
Thank you, this was very informative
Firouzeh Murray
01:40:36
or the opposite - terrible working memory and still terrible but less terrible processing speeding
Susan Choquette
01:41:05
You’re describing ME!!!
Yael Valek
01:41:20
@Susan isn’t that funny how we discover ourselves through helping our children!
Firouzeh Murray
01:41:36
@yael. so true, it’s a mirror
Kate Elsley
01:42:11
SOOOO helpful, thank you. I need to go put my kiddo to bed, sad to leave. Thank you.
Lisa Tulee
01:44:02
This was great. So valuable. How do you suggest dealing with a child who, when asked a question, takes so long to answer. These are non-academic questions like " how was your day", "What was your favorite part of Susie's birthday party". Is it best to just wait....and wait, or prompt? Socially this can be a big issue where they get left behind in conversation.
Amina Ahmed
01:44:41
Are there any questionnaire that parents can use to explore the child’s learning profile from a strengths perspective? Something that can help understand how our child learns.
Yael Valek
01:45:26
Amina check out Abby’s talk about strengths which includes a list of tools: https://www.reel2e.org/post/ad-astra-parenting-your-neurodiverse-child-strength-based-strategies-at-home-in-the-classroom
Amina Ahmed
01:45:38
Thanks
Jenny Lee
01:45:43
Thank you @yael
Firouzeh Murray
01:48:33
for a non-trained eye/expert - middle school is when you really see it. 7th or 8th grade
Lauren Johnson
01:49:25
Is there a list of counselors/therapists who specialize in working with slow processing children?
Yael Valek
01:53:15
@Lauren I’m not sure about counselors, but educational therapists know about this. Otherwise counselors who generally understand 2e or asynchrony I would think would help with skills
Sheryl Stoller (she/her/hers)
01:55:31
I coach parents of 2E children. One of the hardest part - How model these life skills. I help with that. Please feel free to reach out to explore if I could be of assistance
Cindy Z Hansen, Educational Therapist
01:58:53
Excellent, Marcy. thank you!
Callie Turk
02:00:09
@Sheryl, thanks so much for the work you do and for joining us tonight!
Sheryl Stoller (she/her/hers)
02:01:10
@Callie, thank you. And you too! My complete joy to be here!
Sheryl Stoller (she/her/hers)
02:02:56
Marci, you are so informative and nonchalantly informative! Such a joy to learn from you.
Beth Vidakovits
02:03:09
Callie, Yael & Marcy: Thank you!!!
Sheryl Stoller (she/her/hers)
02:03:17
YES !!!!
Jane
02:04:21
So informative! Thank you all!
Sheryl Stoller (she/her/hers)
02:05:57
then - You can choose, or if you don’t want to choose, I can choose.
Emon Reynolds
02:09:10
so true
Sheryl Stoller (she/her/hers)
02:10:37
Thank you. Marci, you have imparted the forest and the trees. Wow. So appreciate you!
Jenny Lee
02:11:01
Many thanks, Marci, Yael, and Callie!
Emon Reynolds
02:11:06
Thank you so much so good!
Yael Valek
02:11:09
Thank you all!
Firouzeh Murray
02:11:09
a big thank you, Marcy!
iPhone
02:11:15
Thanks!!
ML
02:11:23
Thanks so much to all of you!
Firouzeh Murray
02:11:26
and thanks to Callie and Yael for organizing all of this
Callie Turk
02:11:38
You’re very welcome!
Sheryl Stoller (she/her/hers)
02:11:47
Yael and Callie, thank you!!
Lauren Johnson
02:11:48
Thank you!