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PNWD Workshop 3/15/22 - Shared screen with speaker view
Shelley Urben
39:12
www.nps-pnwd.org
Shelley Urben
39:31
www.nsp-pnwd.org
Matt Strauser
39:48
Hello from Hoodoo at Santiam Pass OR
Kacy Carlson
40:19
Kacy Carlson - Mt. Ashland
Suzanne Budge
40:28
Suzi Budge, Bogus Basin Ski Patrol
Eric Geisler
40:29
Eric Geisler Payette Lakes Nordic and apline
Shelley Urben
40:38
Shelley Urben - Santiam Pass/Hoodoo
Colleen Park
40:54
Colleen Park Mt Bachelor
Nancy Pietroski
41:53
Nancy Pietroski Mt Bachelor
Kym Lavell
42:09
Kym Lavell - Mt Bachelor Alpine NSP
tedstensland
42:22
Ted Stensland, Mt Bachelor
Mark Stambaugh
42:23
Mark Stambaugh Lookout Pass
Dave Smith
42:43
Dave Smith Mt Bachelor Alpine NSP
Eric Brittingham
42:55
Eric Brittingham Patrol Director Mt. Bachelor
Anne & Bob
42:55
Anne Greenwood - Santiam Pass @ Hoodoo
Kathy
43:23
Kathy Alexander, Santiam Pass, Alpine, at Hoodoo
Josie
44:51
Josie Elting - Willamette Baskcountry
Pacific Northwest Division
46:43
Thanks everyone, if you haven’t, please let us know where you are from. IF you have questions, let us know and we will let Eric and Matt know.
Karen Jensen
47:03
Karen from Soldier Mtn
Judds phone
47:31
Judd from Mt Spokane
Pacific Northwest Division
47:58
Jodie Jeffers, PNWD Safety Advisor, Santiam Pass
Matt Strauser
47:59
When you are warmed up and come to a stop. Do you normally add a layer before you cool off?
Denise
48:37
Denise - Bogus Basin
Al Klascius
49:23
Al Klascius- Mt Bachelor and Mt Hood
Kacy Carlson
49:31
Yes, I add a layer and typically have a bite of trail food and some water or tea.
Stewart Bowmer
49:46
When I skate skied, or skinning up hill, if I was going to stop for more than 5-10 minutes, the first thing I did was put a layer on.
Kathy
50:09
As Alpine, I come back indoors & change out of a sweating layer & put on a dryer one
Matt Strauser
52:32
Do you use a gps, garmin for example, or do you use a smart phone app?
Kathy
53:06
Smart phone app
Suzanne Budge
53:28
Garmin and smart phone app
Matt Strauser
53:32
If a smart phone app, which one? Avenza, Gaia, CalTopo, Suunto, something else?
Kathy
54:33
CalTopo
Denise
54:55
Gaia GPS, OnXBackcounty and Avenza depending on location
Kacy Carlson
56:28
It depends on the nature of the backcountry setting. Typically, I use a phone based app (CalTopo and Gaia) when taking a quick dip into the backcountry. If venturing deeper into the backcountry, I use a GPS in conjunction with a physical map and compass. Typically the map is a 7.5 quadrangle or a specific part of a 7.5 quadrangle with a 1:24,000 scale.
Jennifer
57:08
I've heard that Gaia is better than Strava.
Nancy Pietroski
57:08
Avenza for maps that are available for the area
James Tuchschmidt
57:09
Avenza or CalTopo
Stewart Bowmer
57:22
How do you deal with fat bikes/snowshoers, etc in the middle of a groomed track for skate skiers? Education, policing, etc?
Mark Stambaugh
58:26
Gaia and/or Garmin 64s. Avenza to show our area boundaries using a spatial PDF provided by the Forest Service.
karenmurphy
58:27
Gaia and Avenza. In our area we can use the forest service snow maps through Avenza.
Pacific Northwest Division
58:58
Do you have a special app for your ski area?
Denise
59:13
dedicated fat bike routes. Snowshoers have a few dedicated routes and are asked to keep to the side of the groom on non-dedicated areas.
Jennifer
59:39
At Mount Tahoma Trails Association, we have the option to carry twine that we provide in our office to offer trail users who have no traction. It can simply be wrapped around the ski just above the toe.
Matt Strauser
01:00:01
For snow showers, we need more signs to ask them to stay to the side away from the Nordic track.
Pacific Northwest Division
01:00:03
Does you give instructions about finding their lat/long on their phone and to remove from an RFID case which can alter their location dramatically.
Denise
01:00:16
we use Airflaremand
tedstensland
01:00:21
Mt Bachelor has a free app that shows your location on the map as well as your friends. There is also a public version of the trail map and a Ski patrol specific version on Avenza.
Denise
01:00:48
oops ..we use AirFlare which makes it easy for us to locate guests via their gps coordinates
tedstensland
01:01:58
Avenza has a search mode, which includes a ‘Navigate to Location’ feature that not only shows the location but also which direction to get there.
Mark Stambaugh
01:09:43
Eric, what kind of success have you had working with local Law Enforcement? Or do they just punt to you?
Kacy Carlson
01:11:18
Mt. Ashland’s relationship with the local Sheriff’s Department is excellent! We work and train with them on an annual basis and have a lot of cross over SAR/Patrol members.
Jennifer
01:11:19
What kind of toboggans or skeds do you use?
Shelley Urben
01:11:28
Nice job Eric, thank you!
Kacy Carlson
01:11:33
Anyone use SKEDs for BC evacuation?
Eric Geisler
01:12:03
Eric - EricSgeisler@yahoo.com
Matt Strauser
01:12:10
Willamette Backcountry uses a SKED. There are pros and cons.
Matt Strauser
01:12:18
Matt syntereo@gmail.com
Kacy Carlson
01:12:31
Absolutely. How often do you train on them?
Shelley Urben
01:15:19
Thank you Kacy, I believe that is the culture we need to move in as a Division, not the other way.
Pacific Northwest Division
01:25:23
Do you have a preplan?
Denise
01:25:51
Kacy, no we don’t but that is a perfect next step for us as we progress our PFA.
Eric Geisler
01:25:52
no preplan at Brundage Mtn Resort currently
Pacific Northwest Division
01:27:53
Do you have a place/plan to reduce the hyperarousal and determine who participated?
Pacific Northwest Division
01:28:25
Do you have a plan to schedule a formal or informal debrief? IF so by whom?
Joseph Ferraro
01:29:08
Pre plan starts with our daily debrief. Stressful situation is evaluated for additional time debrief and cism.
shirley cummings
01:29:08
when do you have everyone do the paperwork?
Joseph Ferraro
01:29:53
Fire department faciltates
Pacific Northwest Division
01:29:59
Does your patrol, area, have a process for debrief and who facilitates it. Similar to the above….
Denise
01:30:11
we do have a plan for formal and informal debrief. hosted by myself as patrol director or one of our patrollers that is a social worker. we also have access to our company EAP. we are in our infancy of developing our program .
Jennifer
01:30:17
None at MTTA.
Eric Geisler
01:34:35
previous patrol had a full plan, used Police or State trooper resources to facilitate and then move onto CISM program through Employee Assistance proigram
Matt Strauser
01:35:09
I think you can control the scroll
Matt Strauser
01:35:42
We had a long-time patroller pass away.
Josie
01:37:17
There was no answer to say if there was no incident and it would not let you go on if you didn’t answer #3
Pacific Northwest Division
01:40:30
Sorry @Josie, good point. Please bring this up to Kacy as a question..?
Pacific Northwest Division
01:42:43
Who conducts accident investigation at your area and what role do they have? Have they been checked in with them?
Joseph Ferraro
01:42:58
Risk management and patrollers
Pacific Northwest Division
01:43:19
Do you know what an accident investigation entails?
Denise
01:43:27
I do the accident investigations.
Eric Geisler
01:43:43
day leader or patrol director. no follow-up, no information shared with patrol on scene.
Joseph Ferraro
01:43:55
Paid and volunteers
Matt Strauser
01:44:18
Our paid patrol director just lost his dog and we had a long visit on the subject last Saturday night. We all cried.
Dick Willy
01:45:35
My answers need some clarification. Cascade Backcountry SP isn't associated with a ski area. We patrol/ski on state groomed trails & forest service lands. When an incident occurs, we would usually call 911 & ask for King Co, Sheriff's duty officer. They would launch resources. Many of us belong to a ski group, Ski Patrol Rescue Team, a member unit of King County SAR working with King Co, Sheriff. Very occasionally we will encounter an injury & call an ambulance directly. Happened once in my career. ;o)
Pacific Northwest Division
01:47:23
Please don’t forget about people off the ski area that responded to an incident on their way up to patrolling or coming home…..
Dick Willy
01:47:51
PS: King Co. Sheriff and/or King Co. SA would initiate a CISD.
Dick Willy
01:48:33
Got to sign off. Be safe, all.
Pacific Northwest Division
01:49:47
Thanks @Dick!!
Stewart Bowmer
01:54:35
We need to follow HIPAA, be careful with you and what you discuss info with.
Stewart Bowmer
01:54:45
“who”
Pacific Northwest Division
01:57:50
April 19th John Nelson Legal Advisor. safetycommittee@nsp-pnwd.org send questions, requests, etc for both Legal and PFA… Also how can we help you with getting the PFA materials, going for your patrol, etc?? Please go to the PNWD website: nsp-pnwd.org for more.
Al Klascius
01:58:07
Thank you Kacy!
Nancy Pietroski
01:58:23
Great discussions, thanks!
karenmurphy
01:58:36
IThanks Kacy.
Matt Strauser
01:58:43
A wonderful conversation. Thank you.
Jennifer
01:58:43
Thank you all VERY MUCH
Suzanne Budge
01:58:47
thank you all. Kacy what is your email?
Kathy
01:58:57
Jodie & Kacy: thank you
Colleen Park
01:59:21
Great information! Thanks Kacy!
Karen Jensen
01:59:28
Thanks to all who presented tonight!
Kacy Carlson
02:00:05
kacywcarlson@gmail.com - Personal
Kacy Carlson
02:00:15
kcarlson@mtashland.com - Patrol
Eric Brittingham
02:00:19
Thank you all for a great conversation. Good food for thought.
Anne & Bob
02:00:30
Kacy, please let your ski patrol team know that we all are thinking of them and give our best to them