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HIGHER HEALTH Release of Sexual and Gender Related Misconduct Contextual, Procedural Guidelines and Protocols on Rape and Sexual Assault and Code of Ethics - Shared screen with speaker view
Aviwe Sigcau
23:39
ok, now i see some move and voice, thanks
Rianna Oelofsen
23:54
Good day colleagues
Aviwe Sigcau
24:06
Good day.
Thembi Kweyama
24:13
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Bongekile Memela
24:29
Good day everyone
Bentley Jeftha
24:43
Hi Everyone
Ndavheleseni Mbada
24:49
Good day.
Rhonda Carrim
24:59
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TABILE MPHATSOE
25:08
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Mary Legodi
25:09
Good day everyone
Erica Emdon
25:15
Greetings everyone
Marita Sabatier
25:23
Good day everyone
Masentle Mathibe
25:31
Good day
Lucky Norah Katende-Kyenda
25:32
Hullo all, looking forward to this important webinar
Carl Brook
25:32
hi there
Illona Meyer
26:02
Good afternoon. Is someone speaking? I cannot hear anything.
Nomusa Mkhwanazi
26:36
Good day everyone, I cannot hear anything
Vaneesha Devi Appadoo Nursimloo
26:45
me 2
Rianna Oelofsen
27:03
I just want to double check - is the meeting set so that we cannot speak? I don't have a microphone option on my meeting.
Rianna Oelofsen
27:17
Me too. I also cannot hear
Nomthandazo Ntlama-Makhanya
27:23
Can't hear as well
Vaneesha Devi Appadoo Nursimloo
27:30
Good afternoon
Lucky Norah Katende-Kyenda
27:31
Has the webinar started?
Charlene Roberson
27:31
There we go. Thank you
Heidi Schoeman
28:05
I can hear but the sound is not great
Lucky Norah Katende-Kyenda
28:06
Sound too low
Boesman Makae
28:16
Please allow me to project on behalf of Prof. Phutsisi.
Sesona Ngqakamba
28:25
Sound is very low. Struggling to hear the speaker.
Dr Elize Powell
28:39
Sound to soft
Pinda Ndamase
28:46
Panelists please kindly turn on your videos if you are able. Thank you
Lucas Mndebele
28:59
I cant hear as well
Vaneesha Devi Appadoo Nursimloo
29:00
volume is good now
MOIPONE NKABANE
29:02
Thank you the sound is much better
PREM COOPOO
29:04
Thank you for this webinar - Prem Coopoo, CPUT
sarah matseke
29:09
sound getting better, thank you
Higher Health
29:11
welcome all good now?
Lillian Fortuin
29:30
thank you sound better
Boesman Makae
31:33
Please change my participation to be a panelist.
Pinda Ndamase
31:39
Good afternoon. Thank you for joining this important engagement. Please put your questions in the chat. We will not be able to take hands. Thank you
Lucky Norah Katende-Kyenda
31:58
Sound????????
Sesi Mahlobogoane
32:30
May the sound please be adjusted to a high volume, we are struggling to hear.
PRINCE DABULA
33:00
are we all muted, I don't see that option on the screen
Ellen Rungani
33:39
good afternoon
Siphe Madikizela
33:49
Because WE ARE SAD
Yolisa Pasipanodya
33:54
Good afternoon!
witkoppen Clinic
34:06
We cannot hear what is aid here
Sesi Mahlobogoane
34:51
There's an option for raising your hand but we are all muted. We can't even adjust the volume on our own devices.
witkoppen Clinic
35:15
Now alll sound is gone
PRINCE DABULA
35:19
Thanks
Siphe Madikizela
35:23
I hope the acknowledging won't happen with every speaker.
Mochaki Masipa
35:35
Good Afternoon. Challenes of sound please.
Alidah Kekana
35:48
Can the volume be adjusted please, it is too low.
Pinda Ndamase
36:12
Colleagues, everyone is muted. Kindly put questions in the chat. Thank you
Deirdre Rule
36:20
sound is good now - thanks
witkoppen Clinic
36:33
Thank you. The sound is back.
Mary Legodi
38:29
Thanks, sound is ok.
Lucky Norah Katende-Kyenda
39:48
Sound gone
Ntuthuzelo Fikeni
40:56
try repositioning yourself for better network coverage.
Wonga Mthetho
48:20
๐Ÿ™Œ๐Ÿพ๐Ÿ™Œ๐Ÿพ if they traumatized how do they acquire their qualifications ๐Ÿ‘Œ๐Ÿพ spot on Prof...
Ellen Rungani
49:59
I fully agree that we must not wait for a case to happen for us to act
Siyabonga Nkambako
50:33
I think it would also assist a lot that we include the basic education department in such engagements so that we can start at a very young age to help shape the thoughts of young people, educate them on GBV so that when they get to higher education they will be better equipped on GBV and it's implications.
Rianna Oelofsen
51:15
I totally agree - we need to involve basic education urgently
John lee Hammerslacht
54:26
I fully agree we need to act on this before another case of GBV arises and it has been getting out of hand and traumatising.
Pinda Ndamase
55:35
Thank you for your input. We have noted it and will definitely consider this in our rollout
Prof Norah Katende-Kyenda
57:33
Are we going to receive these slides onto our emails
Pinda Ndamase
58:09
Yes we we will share the recording and slides
Prof Norah Katende-Kyenda
58:36
Thanks Pinda
John lee Hammerslacht
58:49
Thank you
sarah matseke
59:00
thank you
Smailes Susan
01:01:06
Thank you,
Prof Norah Katende-Kyenda
01:02:26
The challenge we are faced with is if it is your boss he will threaten to fire you
Aviwe Sigcau
01:05:10
I think there should be system that all males (young and old) attend a National compulsory workshop . Where they are taught how to treat women and they share their experience. Somehow each male produce proof that he does attend those workshops . even if its once year .
Mala Singh
01:05:31
The option to withdraw a complaint leaves the complainant vulnerable to manipulation and pressure from the perpetrator.
Alison Kutywayo
01:05:47
Does having a separate gbv office make it obvious that people are complaining about gbv?
Rianna Oelofsen
01:05:49
Should the investigator be part of the RO?
Ellen Rungani
01:06:21
how do we encourage victims not to withdraw the cases
Saloschini Pillay
01:06:41
sadly, due to a lack of trust in the system the option to withdraw is often utilised
Cobus van Jaarsveld
01:07:13
The internal investigation must not interfere with the criminal justice investigation as cases can be harmed we also need to note the SAPS National Instructions on the investigation of GBV cases
Nondumiso Ngamlana
01:07:34
if you are a victim you won't be free to report it with your partner because that may lead to a divorce
Nonkosi Tyolwana
01:07:47
Absolutely Cobus
Cobus van Jaarsveld
01:08:28
I am also adamant that a complaint must receive immediate attention as a non-attendance can lead to further harm or event death - thus requiring the responsible staff to be available 24/7
Paul Tladi
01:09:22
Is it advisable to have internal, and processes involving SAPS run parallel?
Charlene Beukes
01:10:03
@Cobus Wits uses this process (including the rape protocol) and the process has not once interfered with the criminal justice system. It is possible for both to run at the same time.
John lee Hammerslacht
01:11:24
What if the victim withdraws the case and this person keeps on doing this, what justice will they get. People are scared of loosing work because they have families to feed. For how long must people withdraw GBV cases and then the perpetrator must walk free like nothing happened.
Sianne Alves
01:13:24
In terms of Capacity Building and Training - we also need the monitoring body such as the Institutional Forum and Council to be capacitated - so that monitoring and meaningful systems change is understood.
Rianna Oelofsen
01:15:51
This curriculum should be rolled out in primary and secondary education as well. It doesn't help if we only start addressing the problem in Higher education.
Clayton Alexander
01:16:48
It did not immediately appear that any Capacity Building endeavours would be focused on the Private Higher Education sector.
Mochaki Masipa
01:16:54
Students have this tendency of withdrawing and in most instances they say they do not want the alleged rapist to be expelled when found guilty. This mostly happen when the alleged rapist is a former boyfriend. the question is truely what do we do to compel them
Charlene Beukes
01:16:56
@Riaana fully agreed. University is too late to start having the conversation. Prevention should happen at a younger age.
Saloschini Pillay
01:17:43
Agreed Rianna, also how to extend this in HEI, do we build aspects of this into the university's First year experience programmes and modules
Erica Emdon
01:18:02
Regarding withdrawal of cases. Some victims donโ€™t want to go through the whole process. But the idea of a RO is that it is survivor friendly and makes it easier for victims so they donโ€™t withdraw.
Charlene Beukes
01:18:27
It is not about compelling. It is about supporting the student and working with them to get to the point that they are comfortable to proceed with a disciplinary hearing and see their rapist expelled. My office worked with a student for almost two years before she was ready.
Erica Emdon
01:18:57
Agree with this Charlene.
Erica Emdon
01:19:19
Canโ€™t compel, but can create conditions that make people willing
Ntuthuzelo Fikeni
01:20:44
The focus of pepper
Ntuthuzelo Fikeni
01:20:46
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Mochaki Masipa
01:21:38
You would expect that those efforts are taken. Perhaps it would be good to hear your strategies Charlene.
Susannie Odendaal
01:22:32
Please share the toll free number again.
Mxolisi Xaba
01:24:39
Profiling and mapping instances of violence and spaces and environments within which violence occurs is a tool that may deter instances of gbv occurring.
Mxolisi Xaba
01:25:00
appreciate the observation in insight
NONTSIKELELO LOTENI
01:25:03
I am wondering how we can close this gap of perpetrators who jump from one institution to another with no consequences
Rianna Oelofsen
01:26:15
@Nontsikelelo. Very good question
Illona Meyer
01:27:04
An excellent point, Nontsikelelo Loteni. They should be barred from all higher education institutions, like those who cheat on examinations are.
Erica Emdon
01:27:07
Regarding `SAPS versus internal disciplinary. Victim can lay charge with SAPS too. But bear in mind, for harassment and misconduct, the internal process may be more appropriate. It is likely to lead to expulsion or dismissal if the person is found guilty. And it based on balance of probabilities rather than beyond a reasonable doubt. So easier to prove. For rape and sexual assault both options should be pursued in parallel. The alleged perpetrator of rape should not only be dismissed/expelled but must face criminal sanctions
Erica Emdon
01:27:52
How?
Lillian Fortuin
01:29:17
@nontsikelelo wow.. very good question. and scary/shocking that this happens
Mxolisi Xaba
01:30:05
Meeting constituent stakeholders where they are... Engaging on the ground, heforshe promotes men being active bystanders in ending violence against women
Nonkosi Tyolwana
01:30:39
Indeed Anne- Thank you for insightful comments as always-HEFORSHE has produced evidence based interventions in many universities in different countries countries
Mxolisi Xaba
01:30:54
https://www.heforshe.org/en
Ntuthuzelo Fikeni
01:30:56
The perpetrator-focused approach in peer-to-peer engagement platforms would also give a broad insight and impact positively to the drive for prevention.
Thobeka Msengana
01:31:44
I think we also need programs that are specifically tailor made for males. Empowering boy child and males is necessary
Ellen Rungani
01:32:09
thank you very much
Rianna Oelofsen
01:32:30
Thank you for your condolences. UFH is in mourning
Ndavheleseni Mbada
01:35:57
Indeed it is the responsibility of all of us to eradicate and prevent GBV on our campuses. I think it is time for the higher education department or government to direct more resources such as funding for universities and colleges to have relevant personnel for GBV issues, i.e., GBV office. Please provide the universities and colleges with more funding.
Ntuthuzelo Fikeni
01:36:26
@Thobeka indeed and this will stop the narrative that vilifies one gender against the other.
Nonkosi Tyolwana
01:38:51
Got this Mxolisi-we are running with it. .thank you very much
wonga tabata
01:40:06
Importance of linkages, gender transformation as a human rights issue. Importance of national & international instruments-good points from CGE!
sarah matseke
01:48:04
@Ntuthuzelo Fikeni...can UP talk more with you about this idea another time? I don't see an inboxing option here...
Mary Legodi
01:52:29
My concern is, what happens to perpetrators that jump from one Institution to another without being tracked and/or traced. Especially those who enter the system via Council employment and not Persal system. Not forgetting that they may not be honest about the misdemeanours that they committed at the previous employment.
Rianna Oelofsen
01:53:55
I cannot hear.
Spino Fante
02:01:39
There is a National Register for Sex Offenders (NRSO) on Criminal Law (Sexual Offences and @ Nontsikelelo: Related Matters) Amendment Act and Amendment Bill. The Department of Justice and Constitutional Development plans to conduct sensitization training to the public, including institutions of higher learning on the Bill. Perhaps this is something we can follow up on. The age of people to be protected has been increased to include women who are 18 to 25 years to accommodated students in PSET.
Rianna Oelofsen
02:01:50
Agreed wholeheartedly on the NSFAS issue. The delay in paying that is very problematic.
Erica Emdon
02:01:58
Re perpetrators jumping from institution to institution, we have to tighten up screening mechanism for staff and students.
Esther Kodisang
02:04:29
The views of CET colleges student must also find space here, they are a very important link to the communities
John lee Hammerslacht
02:13:08
NSFAS has been a problem students payments are always delayed and sometimes its not even the students fault at all, NSFAS should work on their quality of services to the students.
Pinda Ndamase
02:20:42
Please can media personnel write their questions in the chat should there be any. Thank you
Dr Teddy Setshedi
02:21:15
practical programmes are prime as pillars to enhance prevention ,etc
Dr Teddy Setshedi
02:23:22
Mandatory as it will be for all institutions to implement programmes ,awareness programmes these should be immediately budgeted for GBV&F Offices
Nondumiso Ngamlana
02:23:52
The origin of GBV is Power equality
Rianna Oelofsen
02:25:33
Thank you deputy minister, it is wonderful that you will have this discussion with the Dept of Basic Education.
Pinda Ndamase
02:28:13
Colleagues, please kindly include your comments and questions in this chat. Thank you
Nomfundo Mbatha
02:29:49
We as SRC'S must be on the forefront on efforts to fight GBV in our institutions.i think we need also to implement more programs to break the silence amongst students..a
Rianna Oelofsen
02:30:08
There is also research which shows that not all local cultures were patriarchal prior to colonization. Thus, decolonizing the understanding of gender relations will also support the fight against GBV
Illona Meyer
02:30:53
Excellent points made, Deputy Minister.
Thobeka Msengana
02:33:15
@Rianna that is a very important point
Fiona Mahlori
02:33:29
I agree with you @Rianna. We need to decolonise GBV policies. Even the language we use when describing forms of GBV should include African languages.
Nomfundo Mbatha
02:34:12
@Fiona I fully agree
John lee Hammerslacht
02:34:40
I agree , we need to educate our students and I mean all about GBV. We as SRC's must be there for our students, we are for the students by the students no one must be left behind, yes Indeed minister we must ensure our students safety on campuses.
Nomfundo Mbatha
02:34:41
I meant to say @Rianna,sorry
Lillian Fortuin
02:35:46
I am so hopeful with the deputy minister's talk. My heart was so saddened hearing a female student say that she is scared of men now after the horrific tragedy of the other day.
Sesi Mahlobogoane
02:35:50
Beautiful message by DM!๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘
Nontokozo Mashiya
02:37:12
There is also a need to have a HeforShe programme. That would help a lot
Dumisani Lutweyi
02:37:15
Thank you for the message DM, we will advance this mandate.
Lengamsm
02:37:44
would like to thank our sign language interpreter. she must be exhausted. thank you Sophie๐Ÿ™๐Ÿผ
Nontokozo Mashiya
02:37:48
what a fruitful engagement, thank you so much
Nasreen Mahommed
02:37:53
When will we receive the recording and slides?
Rianna Oelofsen
02:37:59
Thank you everyone
Nomfundo Mbatha
02:38:07
Thank you
Mary Legodi
02:38:12
Thank you for such fruitful event.